黃仁勳做客喬羅根訪談,內容非常精彩。訪談前一部分主要是AI相關內容;訪談的後面一部分,黃仁勳談了自己的創業歷程和人生經歷。最感動我的一部分,對話內容如下:『黃仁勳:你知道嗎?大家都說你必須熱愛自己的工作,但其實不是每天都熱愛。JENSEN HUANG: You know? You know, everybody says you must love your job. Not every day.喬·羅根:那倒不是...你懂我的意思。JOE ROGAN: That's not... You know what I'm saying.黃仁勳:這種不完美恰恰就是生活的美妙之處。JENSEN HUANG: That's kind of the beauty of everything.喬·羅根:沒錯。因為有起有落嘛。JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Is that there's ups and downs.黃仁勳:對,就是這樣。JENSEN HUANG: That's right.喬·羅根:成功從來不是一直處於極度興奮的狀態。JOE ROGAN: It's never just like this giant dopamine high.黃仁勳:我們給外界留下了一個印象,我覺得這個印象不太健康。成功人士往往給人一種印象,好像我們的工作總能帶來巨大的快樂。我覺得確實,在很大程度上,我們對工作充滿熱情,這份熱情讓工作變得很有趣,確實是這樣。但這讓人們忽略了...事實上,很多成功都來自於極其艱苦的努力。JENSEN HUANG: We leave this impression. Here's an impression I don't think is healthy. People who are successful leave the impression often that our job gives us great joy. I think largely it does that our jobs... We're passionate about our work. And that passion relates to... It's just so much fun. I think it largely is, but it distracts from... In fact, a lot of success comes from really, really hard work.喬·羅根:是的。JOE ROGAN: Yes.黃仁勳:成功的過程中有很長一段時間要承受痛苦、孤獨、不確定、恐懼和尷尬,還有羞辱感。這些都是我們最不喜歡的感覺。從零開始創造事物就是如此。埃隆也會跟你說類似的話,創新發明極其艱難,人們始終對你持懷疑態度,多數時候你不僅面臨質疑,更會遭受羞辱。JENSEN HUANG: There's long periods of suffering and loneliness and uncertainty and fear and embarrassment and humiliation. All of the feelings that we most not love. That creating something from the ground up. And Elon will tell you something similar. Very difficult to invent something new. And people don't believe you all the time. You're humiliated, often disbelieved most of the time.所以人們忘記了成功的這部分。我覺得這樣不健康。我們應該把這些告訴別人,讓他們知道這是成功之路的一部分。And so people forget that part of success. And I don't think it's healthy. I think it's good that we pass that forward and let people know that it's just part of the journey.喬·羅根:是的。JOE ROGAN: Yes.黃仁勳:苦難也是成功之路的一部分。JENSEN HUANG: And suffering is part of the journey.喬·羅根:當你經歷這些艱難時刻後,等事情終於順利起來時,你會更加珍惜。你會非常感激這些經歷。JOE ROGAN: You will appreciate it so much. These horrible feelings that you have when things are not going so well. You'll appreciate it so much more when they do go well.黃仁勳:會非常感恩。是的,會有一種深深的驕傲感。難以置信的驕傲,難以置信的感激之情,當然還有非常珍貴的回憶。JENSEN HUANG: Deeply grateful. Yeah. Yeah. Deep, deep pride. Incredible pride. Incredible, incredible gratefulness. And surely incredible memories.喬·羅根:絕對如此。JOE ROGAN: Absolutely. 』這裡面沒有“雞湯”。成功的一面是熱情和喜悅,而另一面是必須承受的艱難和困苦,兩者負陰抱陽,互為表裡。苦難是成功之路的一部分,也是人生旅程的一部分。 (大咖觀點)